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December 16, 2009 |
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights It is …
@funkyflights It is a myth. As I referenced earlier, (see Medical Bankruptcy: Myth Versus Fact, David Dranove and Michael L. Millenson). The reality is17% of personal bankruptcies are the result of medical bills and in only a portion of those are they the primary cause.
Fire and police protection are local services not national services The military is explicitly authorized in the Constitution. The people of this country agreed that national defense was best handled at the national level.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
60 …
@nnjhansen
60 percent of all bankruptcies are from medical bills…. FACT not myth… Medicaid is no good for the middle class…. YOU own something your gonna lose it if you get seriously ill without health insurance…. Also we have MANY MANY socialist programs and government run programs that are keeping you safe and protecting it’s citizens… Fire department and police force are one… Military is another…. THAT”S the most powerful and biggest threat the government has… think about it
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights We do …
@funkyflights We do have a program that provides for the ‘weakest among us’, it is called Medicaid.
Medical bills are NOT the leading cause of personal bankruptcy. That is a myth.
If you do not believe that allowing government into your health care opens the door for endless involvement, you are naive. Tell me, how are state & local gov’ts currently justifying bans on trans fat & taxes on sodas?
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
We do …
@nnjhansen
We do not have programs to ensure all Americans receive quality health care…. We simply do not…. Emergency rooms are most peoples private doctors… and you also ignore the fact the medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy in the USA…. and I disagree having government in health care means we would have government in every aspect of our lives… That’s a fear tactic….
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights Who …
@funkyflights Who are you to decide whose suffering is worthy of someone else’s money?
We already have a program that pays for the health care for the ‘weakest among us.’ We also have community, religious, and charitable hospitals and facilities that take care of everyone regardless of their ability to pay. What you want is more control.
Once the government is involved in your health care, you have opened the door to them being involved in every aspect of your life.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
LOL… …
@nnjhansen
LOL… Yeah I know man because PAPER money is more important that human suffering…. YEAH man your real deep there…god help us if we pay a little extra tax to insure the weakest among us has health care coverage when they get sick. You put more value in money than you do human life… Look I dont want the government in my business any more than you do …BUT with health care I do….because the current system is a failure… I trust the government more than I trust corporations.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights I’m …
@funkyflights I’m selfish? Which of us is it that wants others to spend their money as he sees fit? Which of us wants to decide how much the service provided by another is worth? Which of us wants to decide how much a service another is receiving is worth?
The day insurance companies are removed from the health care system and replaced by the government is the day we cease to be a nation in which the people govern themselves.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
You can …
@nnjhansen
You can say all you want…. Insurance companies do not belong in health care… It’s a fundamental flaw from the start…. It’s just a matter of time before there eliminated…. With the power of the corporations it’s gonna be a long tough fight but there time is inevitably running out…. It will happen…
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Again your view is …
Again your view is incredibly selfish and self serving…. If insurance companies were removed from health care prices would GO WAY DOWN… You and I both know companies take advantage of insurance companies and overprice… THOSE prices are then negotiated between the 2 parties… When Americans have no health insurance they get stuck with OUTLANDISH overcharges that leave them hopeless to pay the overhead unless they sell the house or file bankruptcy….
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights Thge …
@funkyflights Thge whole point of health care is to help people. The whole point of health insurance is to help people pay for the unanticipated costs of health care. They are two separate things that you continue to conflate.
Here is an idea that is completely fair, let people spend their money as they see fit. Allow people to be paid for their services what they and the recipient of those services agree it to be worth.
If you want to pay for your neighbors care, write them a check.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
The …
@nnjhansen
The whole point of health care is to HELP PEOPLE when they get sick…. You see things in a selfish way… I”m financially secure… I don’t care if I have to pay a little extra tax if it means my neighbors have health care… it’s not gonna affect my lifestyle or yours…. You act like a little extra tax for the greater good is a bad thing…. Letting people suffer under a system of discrimination and wrong doing is far worse….
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights You …
@funkyflights You want to replace it with a system of wealth transfer. You want to replace it with a system that discriminates against the healthy and the successful. You want to shift the cost burden from those benefiting from a service to those who are not. You want to steal one person’s money because you think you have a better use for it. You want to destroy a system that works well for 270+million people and replace it with a lousy system for 300 million people.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
I …
@nnjhansen
I UNDERSTAND the concept of insurance… and that’s why it doesn’t belong in health care!!!! This very principle discriminates against the sick…. Millions and Millions of Americans cant even buy there own private insurance because of a pre-existing condition…. OR there premiums are so outlandish they cant afford it anyway…. THAT”S why it’s a failure in health care… Dude that’s my whole point
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights To …
@funkyflights To hear you say it is wrong to charge someone at greater risk more than someone with a lower risk, illustrates just how little you understand the concept of insurance.
You are not interested in insurance. You simply want to shift the cost of medical care from the person benefiting from it to someone else (the taxpayers). That is immoral.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
To hear …
@nnjhansen
To hear you say it’s ok to charge people more money because there sick is the exact reason our countries health care system is such a failure… THE whole point of having health care in a country is to TREAT sick people… So from the opening bell our system discriminates and tries to avoid sick people….WTF kinda system is that ? This is the exact reason every other industrialized nation on earth has a national system to protect it’s people from the exact thing you just mentioned.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights Are …
@funkyflights Are you aware of the number of non-profit, private health insurers in this country? You cannot have a system that charges people with a higher risk the same as those with a lower risk without it being a wealth transfer program. You have a choice, a system that properly discriminates against those already sick or one that transfers wealth.
What do think the profit margin is on health insurance?
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights The …
@funkyflights The half of all bankruptcies canard is a myth (see Medical Bankruptcy: Myth Versus Fact, David Dranove and Michael L. Millenson). The reality is less than 20% of personal bankruptcies are the result of medical bills and in only a portion of those are they the primary cause. These bankruptcies are also largely confined to those barely over the poverty line.
When compared to Medicare, private insurance in this country is a raging success for the vast majority of Americans.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
Also …
@nnjhansen
Also to answer your question NO it would not be a transfer of wealth to have a non profit pool in health care…. Everyone can pay there due and it can be affordable and fair… NO discrimination against the sick because of profit… 99 percent of the money can be put towards health care where it belongs .. NOT some CEO’S 20 million dollar bonus…
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
That …
@nnjhansen
That fictional 20 year old is reality…. a MILLION times over… and over and over…. And yes there are way’s to get treatment if your below the poverty line… BUT what about the middle class who are playing by the rules saving money and paying there due…. THEY stand to lose everything they work hard for because they get sick…. Millions of Americans are in that position… it’s the number one cause of bankruptcy in the USA…. That’s a failure… period
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights Of …
@funkyflights Of course it discriminates against the sick. It would be an immoral transfer of wealth if it did not.
No one has a right to health insurance.
People, like your fictional 20yo, are not denied care because they have no insurance. There are thousands of educational, charitable and religiously based hospitals committed to caring for people without the means to pay for it. Do not confuse a lack of insurance with an inability to obtain care.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
NO I’m …
@nnjhansen
NO I’m saying the system is immoral …. FROM THE START… It discriminates against sick people… WHY is that so hard to understand… WHAT about the 20 year old with a congenital heart defect ? WHO doesn’t smoke, who takes care of himself….. SHOULD he be denied the right to health insurance because he’s high risk ? IF YOU SAY YES… then I say I hope you get a terminal disease and get denied care SO YOU can see what it’s like…. disgusting system.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights You …
@funkyflights You think it is moral to charge a 20 year old, healthy, non-smoker the same premium as a 55 yo guy who is obese and has smoked for 30 years? In order for insurance to be fair, it has to discriminate or else it simply is a transfer of wealth just like medicare is.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@funkyflights …
@funkyflights Health insurance is heavily regulated as well. Your premiums rise when your risk increases, just like every other form of insurance.
Health insurance is just that, insurance. The only moral and fair way to insure a group of people is based on the risk they represent. A person who is already ill is not looking for insurance to guard against a future event but someone to shift the costs of their illness to.
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
…
@nnjhansen
HAHAHAH….. typical right winger…. I”m making moral sense and your talking distribution of wealth….. System is broken dude anyway you slice it… OH and single payer is not distribution of wealth…. people pay there own premiums but it’s FAIR with no discrimination…. And it’s not a private insurance company only thinking about profit and avoiding our sick people….
July 4th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
@nnjhansen
Auto …
@nnjhansen
Auto insurance is HEAVILY regulated and when your premiums rise or they drop you it’s because your a bad driver with to many tickets or DUI”s ….. BIG difference from having premiums rise because of something you can’t control like illness… This is where your not seeing things clearly…. And Auto accident is a mistake by someone …. illness is not … Tell that to someone born with a congenital defect so there discriminated against from the start… your making no sense dude…